Managing people isn’t about policies — it’s about people. In this episode, Jeff Matlow looks at how HubSpot’s co-founder Dharmesh Shah redefined how to lead with heart, not just authority.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

🔹 The real reason people quit (and how to prevent it)

🔹 Why empathy is your most valuable leadership tool

🔹 How to create a culture where people feel truly cared for

If you manage people — or aspire to — this episode is essential listening and Dhsarmesh Shah is a person you need to know about.

🎧 Press play for a smarter way to lead.


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Show Notes

[00:00] Introduction

[00:40] Dharmesh Shah

[01:51] Managing People is Hard

[03:20] The Curse Of The Good Worker

[04:11] The People Management Bias

[05:08] It’s OK To Not Manage People

[06:07] It’s Time To Rethink Leadership

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